The Qur'an and the Bible, in the light of Science - Part-3
Question And Answer Session By Dr. Zakir Naik
Saturday, June 20, 2009
(Dr. Zakir) …(Arabic)… Respected Dr. William Campbell, Dr.
Maracuss, Dr. Jamal Badavi, Br. Samuel Nauman, Dr. Mohammed Naik, my respected
elders and my dear brothers and sisters, I welcome all of you with the Islamic
greetings… ‘As Salaamo Alaikum Wa
Dr. William Campbell has pointed out various alleged
scientific errors in the Qur’an, and I am supposed to actually refute in the
rebuttal. But since he chose to speak first, I will be refuting a few points in
my talk - I will reply to the major part of his talk, mainly dealing with
Embryology and with Geology. The remaining InshaAllah, InshaAllah, I will try
my level best to reply in the rebuttal. I have to do both - I cannot do
injustice to the topic. The topic is… ‘Qur’an and Bible in the light of
Science.’ I cannot only speak about one Scripture - Dr. William Campbell hardly
spoke about one or two points about the Bible, which I will deal with
InshaAllah. I will speak about both InshaAllah, - I want to do justice to the
topic. As far as Qur’an and modern Science is concerned, in the field of
‘Astronomy’, the Scientists, the Astronomers, a few decades earlier, they described,
how the universe came into existence - They call it the ‘Big Bang’. And they
said… ‘Initially there was one primary nebula, which later on it separated with
a Big Bang, which gave rise to Galaxies, Stars, Sun and the Earth, we live in.’
This information is given in a nutshell in the Glorious Qur’an, in Surah
Ambiya, Ch. 21, Verse No. 30, which says…. (Arabic).... Do not the unbelievers
see…? …. (Arabic)…. ‘That the heavens and the earth were joined together, and
we clove them asunder.’ Imagine this information which we came to know
recently, the Qur’an mentions 14 hundred years ago. When I was in school, I had
learned that the Sun in respect to the Earth - it was stationary - the Earth
and the Moon, they rotated about in axis, but the sun was stationary. But when
I read a Verse of the Qur’an saying, in Surah Al–Ambiya,
Dr. William Campbell who knows Arabic, may say…‘Why did not
Allah Subhanawa Taala specifically mention….(Arabic) …. Meaning… ‘The capacity
of the heavens to return back rain.’ Why did not Allah mention specifically?
Now we have came to know why did not Allah do that, in His Divine wisdom.
Because today we have came to know that besides - the Ozonosphere… the layer
above the earth - Besides returning back rain, it even returns back other
beneficial matter and energy of the Earth, which is required by the human
beings. It does not only return back rain - Today we have come to know, it even
returns back waves of Telecommunication, of Television, of Radio, by which we
can see TV, we can communicate, we can hear the radio. And besides that, it
even returns back the harmful rays of the outer space, back on the other side,
and absorbs. For example the sun light… the ultraviolet rays of the Sun light
is absorbed by the Ionosphere. If this was not done, life on the Earth would
have ceased to exist. So Allah Subhanawataala is far superior and for more
accurate, when He says…. (Arabic)…. By the capacity of the Heaven to return.’
And the remaining things as he mentioned is there in the Qur’an - You can refer
to my Videocassette. The Qur’an describes the ‘Water cycle’ in great detail.
Regarding what he said about the Bible, he showed stage 1 and stage 3 in the
first slide, and in the second stage 1, 3, and then 2. ‘That the rain water is
taken up’… he says… ‘and then the rain water comes down on the Earth.’ This is
the philosophy of Phasofmillitas, in 7th century BC. He thought that the spray
of the ocean was picked up by the wind, and send to the interior as rain. There
is no cloud mentioned there. In the second quotation Dr. William Campbell gave
- First is, according to him, ‘evaporation’ which we agree. We don’t mind
having the concordance approach with the Bible. ‘…Then rain falls down, and
then are the clouds formed.’ - That is not the complete water cycle.
Alhamdulillah, the Qur’an describes the water cycle in great detail, in several
places. How does the water rise, evaporates, forms into clouds - the clouds
join together, they stalk up, there is thunder and lightning, water comes down,
the clouds move into the interior, they fall down as rain, and the evaporation
of the water table and Alhamdulillah in great detail. The Qur’an speaks about
the water cycle in great detail, in several places. In Surah Nur, Ch. No. 24,
Verse No. 43, in Surah Rum, Ch. No. 30, Verse 48, in Surah Al-Zumar, Ch. 39,
Verse 21, in Surah Muminun, Ch. 23, Verse 18, in Surah Rum Ch. No. 30, Verse
No. 24, in Surah Al-Hijr, Ch. 15, Verse No. 22, in Surah Araf Ch. No. 7, Verse
No. 57, in Surah Rad, Ch. No. 13, Verse No. 17, in Surah Furqan, Ch. 25, Verse
No. 48 and 49, in Surah Fatir, Ch. No. 35, Verse No. 9, in Surah Yasin, Ch. 36,
Verse No. 34, in Surah Jathiya, Ch. 45, Verse No. 5, in Surah Qaf, Ch. No. 50,
Verse No. 9, in Surah Al-Waqiah, Ch. No. 56, Verse No. 68 and 70, in several
places, Surah Al-Mulk,Ch. 67, Verse No. 30, the Glorious Qur’an speaks about
the ‘Water cycle’, in great detail. Dr. William Campbell spent maximum time on
Embryology’… about half his talk - quite a lot on Geology - and touched on
other six topics - I’ve noted down. In the field of Geology, we have come to
know today - the Geologists, they tell us, that the radius of the Earth is
approximately 3750 miles, and the deeper layers, they are hot and fluid, and
cannot sustain life. And the superficial part of the Earth’s crust, which we
live on, it is very thin - Hardly 1 to 30 miles. Some portions are thicker, but
majority one to 30 miles. And there are high possibility that this superficial
layer, the Earth’s crust - it will shake. It is due to the ‘Folding
phenomenon’, which gives rise to mountain ranges, which gives stability to this
Earth. And Qur’an says in Surah Nabaa, Ch. No. 78, Verse No. 6 and 7…‘We have
made the Earth as an expanse…. (Arabic) ….and the mountains as stakes.’ The
Qur’an does not say, mountains were thrown up as stakes… mountain as stakes.
Arabic word ‘Autaad’ means ‘stakes’… meaning ‘tent peg’. And today we have come
to know in the study of modern Geology, that mountain has got deep roots. This
was known in the second half of the 19th century. And the superficial part that
we see of the mountain, is a very small percentage. The deeper part is within -
Exactly like a stake how it is driven in the ground. You can only see a small
part on top… the majority is down in the ground - or like a tip of the ice
berg…you can see the tip on the top and about 90% is beneath water. The Qur’an
says in Surah Gashiya, Ch. 88, Verse No. 19, and Surah Naziat, Ch. No. 79,
Verse No. 32 ….. (Arabic) …. And We have made the mountains standing firm on
the Earth’ - Made the mountains standing firm on the Earth. Today after modern
Geology has advanced, and Dr. William Campbell said that… ‘By the theory of
Platectonics - It was propounded in 1960, which gives rise to mountain ranges.’
The Geologists today, do say that the mountains give stability to the Earth -
Not all Geologists, but many do say. I have not come across a single Geological
book, and I challenge Dr. William Campbell to produce a single Geological book
- Not his personal correspondence with the Geologist. That does not carry
weight. His personal correspondence with Dr. Keith Moore …. Documented proof.
And if you read the book ‘The Earth’ which is referred by almost all the
universities, in the field of Geology, one of its authors by the name of Dr
Frank Press, who was the advisor to the former president of USA, Jimmy Carter,
and was the president of the Academy of Science of USA. He writes in his book
that…‘The mountains are wedge shaped - It has deep roots within. And he says that…‘The
function of the mountain is to stabilize the earth.’ And the Qur’an says in
The Arabic word for ‘earthquake’ as Dr. William Campbell
knows Arabic, is ‘zilzaal’ or ‘zalzala’- But the words used in these three
Verses I quoted, it is ‘Tamida.’ ‘Tamida’ means ‘to shake’, ‘to ‘sway’, ‘to
swing.’ And Qur’an says in Surah Luqman, Ch. 31, Verse No. 10, as well as Surah
Nahl, Ch. No. 16 Verse No. 15…‘We have put on the earth mountains standing
firm, lest it would shake with you. It is ‘tamide bikum’…‘Shake with you’,
Indicating, if the mountains were not there, if you would have walked, if you
would have moved, even the earth would have moved with you - If you would have
swayed, even the earth would have swayed with you. And we know normally when we
walk on the Earth, the Earth does not shake, and the reason for this is,
according to Dr. Frank Press and Dr. Najjat who is from
Earthquake is ‘zilzaal’ - and if you see the definition in
There is a slanting homogenizing area, which the Qur’an
refers to as ‘Barzak’ ‘unseen barrier’ And this has been agreed upon by several
Scientists, even of
There were a group of Arabs who collected the data dealing
in the Qur’an about ‘Embryology’ and the Hadith dealing with Embryology. And
they presented it to Professor Keith Moore, who was the chairman and the head
of the department of ‘Anatomy’, in the
As far as this statement of his is concerned, regarding the
Bible, I do agree with it totally - Because the Bible was only meant for the
Like how Dr. William Campbell showed my video - 100 percent proof what I said… ‘Moon is reflected light’ - I’ll come to it later on. And whatever additional information he got from Qur’an and Hadith, it was incorporated later into this book…‘The Developing Human’ - the 3rd edition nd this book got an award for the best medical book written by a single author in that year. This is the Islamic edition that was put forward by Shaikh Abdul Majeed Al-Jindani and certified by Keith Moore himself. The Qur’an says in Surah Muminun, Ch. 23 Verse No. 13, and Surah Haj Ch. 22, Verse No. 5, and no less than 11 different places in the Qur’an, that the human beings have been made from a ‘nutfaa’ ‘minute quantity of liquid’…like a trickle that is remaining in the cup. ‘Nutfa’ in Arabic… a very small quantity. Today we have come to know, that in one seminal emission, in which there are several millions of sperms, only one is required to fertilize the ovum - ‘The Qur’an refers as ‘nutfa.’ Qur’an says in Surah Sajda Ch. 32 Verse no. 8…‘We have created the human beings from ‘Sulalah’ - That means the best part of a whole. The one sperm which fertilizes the ova out of the millions of sperms, the Qur’an refers to as ‘Sulalah’…‘best part of the whole.’ And Qur’an says in Surah Insan, Ch. 76 Verse No. 2…‘We have created the human beings from ‘nutfatunamshaj’…a minute quantity of mingled fluid’ - referring to the sperm as well as the ovum - Both are required for the fertilization. The Qur’an describes the various embryological stages in great detail, of which the slides were shown to you - Dr. William Campbell, he helped me to complete this topic. It is mentioned in Surah Muminun Ch. 23, Verses No. 12 to 14 - The translation is that…‘We have created the human beings from a ‘nutfa.’ – ‘A minute quantity of liquid.’ Then placed it in ‘cararemakeen’ - a place of security. Then We made it into an ‘Alaqa’ - a leech like substance - something which clings - a congealed clot of blood. Then We made that ‘Alaqa’ into a ‘Mutga’ a ‘chewed like lump.’ Then We made the ‘Mutga’ into ‘Izama’…bones. Then clothed the bones with ‘leham’… flesh. Then We made it a new creature.
Blessed be Allah Who is the best to create. These 3 Verses of the Qur’an, speak about the various embryological stages in great detail. First the nutfa placed in a place of security - Made into an ‘Alaqa’, Alaqa has got 3 meanings - One is ‘something’ which clings’, and we know that in the initial stages, the embryo clings to the uterine wall and continues clinging till the end. Point No.2, that it also means a leech like substance, and as I discussed earlier, the embryo in the initial stages, does look like a leech. Besides looking like a leech - it also behaves like a leech - It receives its blood supply from the mother’ like a bloodsucker. And the 3rd meaning which Dr. William Campbell objected to - that is the right meaning… ‘the congealed clot of blood’- And that is why Qur’an has a scientific error. And I do agree with him that Dr. William Campbell did not agree. He said how can it mean a congealed clot of blood, because if this is the case, then the Qur’an is wrong. am sorry to say Qur’an is not wrong - Dr. William Campbell with due respect to him… He is wrong. Because today…today…after advancement of embryology, even Dr. Keith Moore - He says that… ‘In the initial stages, the embryo, besides looking like a leech, also looks like a congealed clot of blood, because in the initial stages, of the stage of ‘Alaqa’, 3 to 4 weeks, the blood is clotted within closed vessels. And Dr. William Campbell made it easy for me - He showed you a slide. It will be difficult for you to see - But this is the slide he showed you.
This is exactly what Professor Keith Moore said… ‘Looks like a clot, in which the blood is clotted within closed vessels And during the 3rd week of the embryo, the blood circulation does not take place - it starts later on - Therefore it assumes the appearance of a clot. And if you observe the conspectus - that is after abortion takes place, you can see, it look like a clot. Only one line answer is sufficient to answer all the allegations of Dr. William Campbell is that, the stages of the Qur’an while it describes the embryological stages, is only based on appearance… Appearance. First is the appearance of the ‘Alaqa’ , a ‘leech like substance’ as well as a clot of blood.’ And Dr. William Campbell rightly said that some ladies come and ask… ‘Please remove the clot’ - It does look like a clot And the stages are based on appearance. It is created from something, which appears like a clot, which appears like a leech, and is also something which clings. Then the Qur’an says… ‘We made the ‘Alaqa’ into ‘Mutga’ – a chewed like lump.’ Professor Keith Moore took plastic seal, and bit between his teeth to make it look like a ‘Mutga’- The teeth marks resembled the ‘somites.’ Dr. William Campbell said… ‘When the ‘Alaqa’ becomes a ‘Mutga’ the clinging is yet there - It is there till 8 and a half months- So… the Qur’an is wrong.’ I told you in the beginning, the Qur’an is describing the appearance. ‘The leech like’ appearance and the ‘clot like’ appearance, is changed to the ‘chewed’ like appearance. It yet continues to cling till the end - There is no problem. But the stages are divided on appearance - Not on the function. Later on the Qur’an says… ‘We made the ‘Mutga’ into ‘Izama’…bones - Then clothed the bones with flesh.’ Dr. William Campbell said, and I do agree with him, that… ‘The precursors of the muscles and the cartilagees… that is the bones, they form together - I agree with that. Today embryology tells us that the primordia of the muscles and the bones - they form together between the 25th and the 40th day, which the Qur`an refers to as the stage of ‘mudga.’ But they are not developed… they are not developed. Later on, at the end of the seventh week, the embryo takes form of human appearance - then the bones are formed.
Today modern embryology says the bones are formed after the
42nd day, and it gives an appearance of a skeletal thing. Even at this stage
when the bones are formed, the muscles are not formed. Later on, after the 7th
week and the starting of 8th week, are the muscles formed. So Qur’an is perfect
in describing first ‘Alaqa’, then ‘Mutga’, then ‘Izama’, then clothed with
flesh, and when they form - the description is perfect. As Professor Keith
Moore said that… ‘The stages - that how it is described in modern embryology…
stage 1,2,3,4,5, is so confusing, The Qur’anic stage on embryology describing
on the base of appearance, and the shape, is far more superior.’ Alhamdulillah.
Therefore he said… therefore he said that… ‘I have no objection in accepting
that Prophet Muhammed is the messenger of God and that this Glorious Qur’an has
to be a Divine Revelation, from Almighty God.’ It is mentioned in Surah
Qur’an calls such people, as in Surah Baqarah Ch. 2, Verse 18…(Arabic)… ‘The deaf, the dumb, the blind, they will not return to the true path.’ The Bible says the same thing in Gospel of Mathew, Ch. No. 13, Verse No. 13… ‘Seeing they see not, hearing they hear not, neither will they understand.’ nd regarding the other parts of ‘Embryology’, I will deal in my rebuttal InshaAllah, if time permits - I have to do justice to the other part also… regarding ‘Bible in the light of science.’ At the outset let me tell you, that Qur’an says in Surah Rad, Ch. 13, Verse. 38, that… ‘We have given several Revelations.’ y name only 4 are mentioned - The Torah, the Zaboor, the Injeel and the Qur’an. The Torah is the ‘Wahi’ the ‘Revelation’, which was given to Prophet Moses, peace be upon him. The Zaboor is the ‘Wahi’, which was given to David, peace be upon him. The Injeel is the ‘Wahi’, the ‘Revelation’ which was given to Jesus, peace be upon him. And Qur’an is the last and final Revelation, which was given to the last and final Messenger Prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him.
Let me make it very clear to every one, that this Bible
which the Christians believe to be the word of God, is not the ‘Injeel’ which
we Muslims believe, was revealed to Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him. This
Bible according to us, it may contain the words of God - But it also contains
words of Prophets, words of historians, it contains absurdities, obscenity, as
well as innumerable scientific errors. If there are scientific points mentioned
in the Bible - there are possibilities - why not? It may be part of the word of
God, in the Bible. But what about the scientific errors ? - What about the
unscientific portions? - Can you attribute this to God ? want to make it very
clear to my Christian brothers and sisters - The purpose of my presentation on
‘Bible and science’ is not to hurt any Christian’s feeling. If while presenting,
if I hurt your feelings, I do apologize in advance. The purpose is only to
point out, that a God’s Revelation cannot contain scientific errors. As Jesus
Christ, peace be upon him said… ‘Search ye the truth, and the truth shall free
you.’ We have the Old Testament, we have the New Testament - Now you should
follow the Last and Final Testament, which is the Glorious Qur’an. As far as
Dr. William Campbell is concerned, I can be more liberal with him - Because he
has written a book ‘The Qur’an and the Bible in the light of history and
science.’ He has given a presentation, and he is a medical doctor - I don’t
have to be very formal with him. As far as the other Christian brothers and
sisters are concerned, I apologize if I hurt you feelings during the presentation.
Let us analyse what the Bible says about modern science - First we deal with
Astronomy., The Bible speaks about the creation of the universe. In the
beginning, 1st Book, Book of Genesis, 1st
If you say it is long period, you solve Point No.1 and 3, the remaining 4 are yet there. If you say the days are 24 hours day, you solve only Point No.5 - the remaining 5 are yet there - It becomes unscientific. I leave it to Dr. William Campbell, whether he wants to say… ‘It is long period’, and say that there are only 4 scientific errors - or say… ‘It is a 24 hour day’, and say there is only 5 scientific errors in the creation of the universe. Regarding the concept of Earth, there are various Scientists who have described… ‘How will the world end.’ Hypothesis - Some may be right, some may be wrong. But either the world will perish or the world will live forever. Both cannot take place simultaneously – It is unscientific. But this is exactly what the Bible says. It is mentioned in the Bible, in the book of Hebrews, Ch. No.1 Verses No.10 and 11, and the book of Psalms, Ch. No.102, Verse No.25 and 26, that…‘Almighty God created the Heavens and the Earth, and they will perish.’ Exactly opposite is mentioned in the book of Ecclesiastics, Ch. No.1, Verse No.4, and the book of Psalms, Ch. No.78, Verse No.69, that… ‘The earth will abide forever.’ I leave it to Dr. William Campbell to choose which of the two Verses are unscientific - the first pair or the second pair. One has to be unscientific - Both cannot take place.
The world cannot abide forever as well as perish – It is unscientific. Regarding ‘the Heavens’, the Bible says in Job, Ch. 26, Verse 11, that…‘The pillars of the Heaven will tremble.’ Qur’an says in Surah Luqman, Ch. 31, Verse No.10, that…‘The Heavens are without any pillars - Don`t you see? Don’t you see the Heavens are without any pillars? - Bible says heaven have got pillars. Not only do the Heavens have got pillars - Bible says in the first book of Samuel, Ch. No.2 Verses No.8, as well as the book of Job Ch. No.9, Verse No.6, and the book of Psalms Ch. No.75, Verse No.3, that… ‘Even the earth have got pillars.’ In the field of ‘Diet and Nutrition’ lets analyse, what does the Bible say. The Bible says in the book of Genesis, Ch. No.1, Verse No.29, that… ‘God has given you all the herbs bearing seeds, the trees bearing fruits - those that bear seed, as meat for you.’ New International Version says… ‘The seed bearing plants, and the trees bearing fruits bearing seeds are food for you, all of them.’ Today, even a layman knows that there are several poisonous plants like wild berries, stritchi, datura, plants containing alkaloid, polyander, bacaipoid - that which if you ingest, if you eat there are high possibilities you may die.
How come the Creator of the universe and the human beings, does not know, that if you have these plants, you will die. I hope Dr. William Campbell does not give these vegetarian diet to his patients. The Bible has a scientific test how to identify a true believer. It is mentioned in the Gospel of Mark, Ch. No.16, Verse No.17 and 18 - It says that… ‘There will be signs for true believers and among the signs - In my name they shall cast out devils, they shall speak foreign tongues, new tongues, they shall take up serpents - And if they drink deadly poison, they shall not be harmed - And when they place their hand over the sick, they shall be cured.’ This is a scientific test - In scientific terminology, it is known as the ‘confirmatory test’ for a true Christian believer. In the past 10 years of my life, I have personally interacted with thousands of Christians, including missionaries - I have not come across a single Christian, who has passed this confirmatory test of the Bible.
I have not come across a single Christian who took poison -
I have not come across any who took poison, and who has not died. And in
scientific terminology, this is also called as the ‘falsification test’ That
means if a false person tries and does this test… takes poison, he will die.
And a false person will not dare attempt this test - If you are not a true
Christian believer, you will not dare attempt this test. Because you try and
attempt the falsification test, you will fail. So a person who is not a true
Christian believer, will never attempt this test. I have read the book ‘The
Qur’an and the Bible in the light of history and science’ written by Dr.
William Campbell. And I assume - that he is a true Christian believer, and at
least I would like him to confirm to me about the falsification test. Please be
rest assured… Please be rest assured, I will not ask Dr. William Campbell to
have deadly poison - Because I don’t want to jeopardize the debate. What I’ll
do - I will only ask him to speak in foreign tongues… In new languages. And as
many of you may be aware that
The remaining 15 languages are here - I request him to read. I know the test says… ‘They will speak foreign languages on their own, without the help of reading’ - but I want to make the test easier, I want to see someone passing the test - I’ve not seen any one. So if he cannot say it on his own, or from his memory, at least read it. I don’t mind I’ll accept it. And I would request the chairperson to give it to Dr. William Campbell. He has his rebuttal - 15 languages, ‘Ek sav rupaiya’… 3 words only. What does the Bible say regarding ‘Hydrology’? Bible says in Genesis, Ch. No.9, Verse No.13 to 17, that… ‘After God, at the time of Noah submerged the world by flood, and after the flood’ subsided, He said… ‘I put up a rainbow in the sky as a promise to the humankind never to submerge the world again, by water. To the unscientific person it may be quite good… ‘Oh rainbow is a sign of Almighty God, never to submerge the world by flood again.’ But today we know very well, that rainbow is due to the refraction of sunlight, with rain or mist. Surely there must have been thousands of rainbows before the time of Noah, peace be upon him. To say it was not there before Noah’s time you have to assume that the law of refraction did not exist - which is unscientific.’ In the field of medicine, the Bible says in the book of Leveticus, Ch. No.14, Verse No.49 to 53 - it gives a novel way for disinfecting a house from plague of leprosy… disinfecting a house from plague of leprosy. It says that… ‘Take two birds, kill one bird, take wood, scale it - and the other living bird, dip it in water… and under running water - later on sprinkle the house 7 times with it.
Sprinkle the house with blood to disinfect against plague of
leprosy? You know blood is a good media of germs, bacteria, as well as toxin -
I hope Dr. William Campbell does not use this method of disinfecting the OT,
the operation theatre. It is mentioned in the book of
You know today in the world, there are thousands of cases
pending in different parts of the world, in different courts of law - only on
the assumption that someone has alleged that a woman has committed adultery. I
had read in the newspapers, and I came to know from the media, that the
President of this great country Mr. Bill Clinton, he was involved in a sex
scandal about 2 years back. I wonder, that why did not the American court use
this ‘bitter water test’ for adultery? He would have gone scot-free immediately.
Why did not the Christian missionaries of this great country, specially those
who are in the medical field like my respected Dr. William Campbell, use this
bitter water test to bail out their President, immediately. ‘Mathematics’ is a
branch, which is closely associated with science, with which you can solve
problems, etc. There are thousands of contradictions in the Bible - hundreds
deal with mathematics, and I’ll first touch on few of them. It is mentioned in
Ezra, Ch. No.2, Verse No.1, and Nehemiah, Ch. No.7, Verse No.6, the context
that… ‘When the people returned from exile, from
The list is given in Ezra, Ch. No.2, Verse No.2 to 63, and
Nehemiah Ch. No.7, Verse No.7 up to 65; the list is given with the names as
well as number of people released. In these 60 Verses there are no less than 18
times - the name is exactly the same but the number is different. There are no
less than 18 contradictions in less than 60 Verses, of these two Chapters. This
is the list - I don’t have time to run through the list - There are no less
than 18 different contradictions in less than 60 Verses. Further it is
mentioned in Ezra, Ch. No.2 Verse No.64 that… ‘The total congregation, if you
add up… if you add up, it comes to 42,360.’ And if you read in
Did he reign for 3 months, or did he reign for 3 months 10
days? Further it is mentioned in the 1st
The first point was that -‘The creation of the Earth and the
Heaven - the universe was in six, 24-hour days. Light was then before the
source of light - Point No. 2. Three - Day came into existence before creation
of Earth. Point No. 4 - Earth came into existence before Sun. Point No. 5 -
Vegetation came into existence, before
(Dr. Mohammed) I would request the audience to bear with us, and maintain due decorum, for the continuation of this dialogue. Now I call upon Dr. William Campbell to present his response, to Dr. Zakir Naik.
(Dr. William Campbell) Well Dr. Naik has brought up some real problems - And there are also these problems that he has said. I do not deny them, and I don’t have good answers for them. But I will tell about… (Clapping)… We are going to make a mathematical study of prophesies - called the theory of probabilities. Estimate … and we will estimate the possibility, that these prophesies could be fulfilled by chance.
(Dr. Mohammed) I now call upon Dr. Zakir Naik, to present his response to Dr. William Campbell.
(Dr. Zakir) Dr. William Campbell only touched on 2, out of
the 22 points I made - only 2. You can only solve 2 problems. The ‘six day
creation problem’, and ‘first day light came’, and ‘the third day, Earth’ - But
the remaining four problems, yet is there. So Dr. William Campbell chose to say
‘Days are long period’- and out of 6, he solved 2 scientific errors. The
remaining 4 of ‘the creation of the universe’ , he does agree to it -That is
good. The King James Version, as well as the New International Version, which
Dr. William Campbell refers to… ‘Drink deadly poison’ – ‘Not eat’… ‘Drink.’ Dr.
William Campbell does not know there are Indians out here - Surely many may
know Gujarati, Marathi - Even I know. If I ask you… ‘Shu che….?’ Dr. William
Campbell did not reply to my 20 points, and he started speaking about
‘Prophesy.’ What has ‘Prophesy’ to do with ‘Science in the Bible.’ If
‘Prophesy’ is the test - But even if there is one unfulfilled prophesy, the
whole Bible is disproved to the word of God. I can give you a list of
unfulfilled prophecies - According to your theory of… theory of probability,
Bible is not the word of God. Irrespective whether you use the ‘conflict
approach’ or the ‘concordance approach’ , if your logical, you will not be able
to take out a single Verse of the Qur’an, which is contradicting - Neither a
single Verse which is against the established science. If Dr. William Campbell
cannot understand the Qur’an - That does not mean, Qur’an is wrong. Bible says
(Q) Yes, I would like to pose this question, or rather this
test to Dr. William Campbell. Why don’t you attempt the falsification test of
the Bible, given in the book of
(Q) My question is to Dr. Zakir Naik. The Christians explain the concept of ‘trinity’ scientifically, by giving the example of water, which can be in there states - solid , liquid and gas, in the form of ice, water and vapour. Similarly one God, is a triune God - Father , Son and Holy ghost. Is this explanation scientifically correct?
(Dr. Zakir) The word ‘trinity’ is not there in the Bible, but it is there is the Qur’an.
(Q) Dr. Zakir, you said… there is not any mistake in Qur’an. I see more than 20 mistakes in Arabic grammar, and I will tell you some of them. ….(Arabic) …. He said in Baqarah. And then in Haj ….(Arabic) .…Which is right - ‘assabeun’ or ‘assabreen.’ ‘Number 1 and number 2’... He said.
(Dr. Mohammed) Brother, one question at a time please.
(Q) Ya .. Since …the thing …. He said in Surah Taha, 63 …. (Arabic) ….Mistake ! …. (Arabic) ….Can you explain that ?
(Dr. Zakir) And the book he is referring to is by Abdul Faadi. Abdul Faadi… Correct ?… ‘Is the Qur’an infallible?’ I can see something ….ya…. Alhamdulillah my eye sight is good.
(Q) Dr. Campbell, since you are a medical doctor, could you please explain scientifically, the various medical aspects, that in the Bible, regarding - because you did not answer them in your rebuttal. , For example… Blood used as a disinfectant , Bitter water test for adultery, and most importantly , that the woman is unclean for double the period, when she gives birth to a daughter, than as compared to a son.
(Q) Okay Dr. Campbell, if you cannot answer the contradictions in Genesis, regarding ‘Creation’ - don’t you think that proves that the Bible is unscientific, and therefore not from God?
(Dr. Campbell) I admit that I have some problems with this.
(Dr. Zakir) The Muslim yard stick ‘the Qur’an’, is far superior to your yard stick ‘the science’ - therefore you should believe in Qur’an, which is far superior.
(Q) Dr. Campbell agreed to Dr. Naik, that the errors he showed are not wrong, and that he cannot answer them. So does this mean that Dr. Campbell agrees that the Bible has errors - so it is not the word of God ?
(Dr. Campbell) There are things in the Bible that I cannot explain - that I do not have any answer for now.
(Dr. Zakir) How can a son be two years older than the
father? Believe me, even… even in
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