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Osama: Palestinian Cause Was 'Main Factor'

May 17, 2008 

Hardworking James Morris directs my attention to the latest Osama statement in which OBL describes the centrality of the Palestinian cause to the 9/11 attack:

Bin Laden began his message by telling listeners that the Palestinian-Israeli conflict has always been the primary cause for friction between the West and the Muslim world - a struggle which he said was getting more difficult due to European policies biased in Israel's favor.
"The Palestinian cause has been the main factor that, since my early childhood, fueled my desire, and that of the 19 freemen (Sept. 11 bombers), to stand by the oppressed, and punish the oppressive Jews and their allies," the al Qaeda chief said.
"We shall continue the fight, Allah willing, against the Israelis and their allies, in order to pursue justice for the oppressed, and we shall not give up one inch of Palestine, as long as there is still a single true Muslim alive."

Maybe some of this is retrospective on OBL's part, he is trying to get in on the Nakba wave, but again it must be asked Why our press cannot deal with this simple confession? Why must the Why they hate us? question always be answered with psychological hooey: that those boys had no opportunity in Arab dictatorships and had seminal backup from being on the losing end of the polygamy hierarchy so they took it out on western freedom. Max Rodenbeck in NYRB was honest about the Palestinian issue, reading OBL's works. Francis Fukuyama was halfway direct. But the 9/11 Commission was dishonest about it, and I have the impression that Lawrence Wright in The Looming Tower was deceptive, or self-deceptive, about this too, and even Peter Bergen in his biography of the loony tower.

The answer to Why the press can't say why they hate us goes to ideology. If the Palestinian grievance is acknowledged or valorized, rather than dismissed out of hand, well that opens the door on the Nakba, on the dispossession, on the many landgrabs of the Jewish state and inevitably casts doubt on the inherent goodness of Zionism and the justice of the occupation, theirs and ours. It opens the door on deeply disruptive ideas, the construction of Jewish identity and of the U.S. establishment. So there goes the neighborhood. Better to torch Iraq. Will Obama reckon with Osama? Kill him, then deal with his ideas. We did that with Timothy McVeigh.

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Posted by: liberal white boy | May 17, 2008 at 10:49 AM

Yes, yes, hear hear.

Killing Osama is really important.

That's why it was probably already done.

Bin Laden is only used now, since about 2004 if not earlier, to cast opposition to neoconservative/neoliberal policies in his image. Literally, the enemy.

[from Wiki: Videos of Osama bin Laden]:

On September 7, 2007 an entirely new videotape of Osama Bin Laden was aired[26]. This was his first new appearance in almost three years. In the tape he mentions no acts of terrorism or war against the United States, but criticizes large corporations, Congressional Democrats, the War on Terror, and the PMs of Great Britain. He strongly urges individuals to convert to Islam. In the movie, Bin Laden also mentions the new President of France and Global Warming.

During the video, bin Laden's image moves for only a total of 3 1/2 minutes in two segments, staying frozen the rest of the time while his remarks continue. From bin Laden's mention of current events it appeared to indicate the video is recently made and thus also proving bin Laden is still alive, however the mentions of current events occur only in the frozen sections of the tape. [27] [28]

The title of this message is "The Solution," its full transcript and video is located at

So apparently now Osama is some disgruntled American antiwar blogger. Who the hell wrote the part of Osama in this 9/7/8 mashup, Amy Goodman?
Have I ever mentioned my own brilliant plan for actually capturing OBL?

You know how Richard Branson is called "the rebel billionaire", and got his own tv show?

Well, Osama is like the Richard Branson of the Arab Street. They both dye their beards, or in Branson's case dye their whole face, and they both speak with all the authentic humanist ring of the typical concerned billionaire.

Branson only bombs on the Nielson ratings, Osama actually fought a war with the American CIA and Pakistani ISI to repel the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.

(I would feel more confident about linking Osama to 9/11 if the FBI made the case. But apparently they don't.)

So since the 9/11 Commission failed to produce a paper trail, why doesn't SOMEBODY offer a mega tell-all book contract and reality show spinoff to OBL? Anyone have Judith Reagan's phone number?

"9/11: If I Did It"

On the reality show, Osama could go and shake hands with 9/11 commish chair Lee "Investigation was obstructed" Hamilton, and then creepily call him a good Muslim. Then Osama could be filmed at ground zero, laughing and dancing like a shlomo.

Because Osama really did 9/11,
now he lives in a cave in Waziristan
plotting the Islamic conversion
of the entire world

Getting briefed by some kid
reading Democracy Now,
safely out of reach of the biggest
military empire in world history.

It's a plausible story. The narrative appeals to common sense and simple passions.

And the finale could be something real spectacular, and classy. Like Saddam's.

Posted by: MM | May 17, 2008 at 10:55 AM

Had it not been for our completely one-sided support of Israel, the attacks on 9/11 would
probably not have occurred. Had it not been for the machinations of the Israel-First
Neocons, we would probably not be embroiled in the misadventure in Mesopotamia. In
addition to the billions of dollars in wealth transfer from the US to Israel (aid, pension fund investments, private tax-free donations, etc), these events have cost us hundreds of billions of dollars. And yet the current president refers to Israel as our best friend, and the three candidates seek to outdo each other in philosemitism...

Posted by: jonathan ekman | May 17, 2008 at 11:01 AM

Phil asks, "Will Obama reckon with Osama? Kill him, then deal with his ideas. We did that with Timothy McVeigh. "

Exactly what were those ideas, and how did we deal with Tim McVeigh's ideas?"

Did we cover all Tim's issues?

Posted by: Charles Keating | May 17, 2008 at 12:07 PM

"but again it must be asked Why our press cannot deal with this simple confession? Why must the Why they hate us? question always be answered with psychological hooey:"

Phil,

Haven't you answered this more clearly before? Surely you have?

If 9/11 and the US deaths in Iraq, and the trillions to be spent, are due to the Israeli-Palestinian question ... to put it more bluntly, due to the efforts to enable further settlements ... then they were/are clearly not worth it and the radical pro-Israel folk who foisted these policies on the US should be denounced. And that clearly cannot be allowed. It might even be anti-semitic to say so.

Posted by: Robert Hume | May 17, 2008 at 01:48 PM

Musn't speak of who are rulers are.

Posted by: DavidBaumHotel@yahoo. | May 17, 2008 at 02:07 PM

Musn't speak of who are rulers are.

Posted by: DavidBaumHotel@yahoo. | May 17, 2008 at 02:07 PM

Musn't speak of who are rulers are.

Posted by: DavidBaumHotel@yahoo. | May 17, 2008 at 02:07 PM

Come on Phil. Bin Laden is dead. Stop perpetuating the 9/11 myth. Do you honestly believe 19 Arabs who were living in caves and had no flying experience whatsoever accomplished those feats? Most of the free world outside of the U.S. doesn't, including top intelligence officials from all over the world, the U.S. included. How about doing some investigative work on the dancing Israelis?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

Posted by: Dan | May 17, 2008 at 02:42 PM

Rachael Corrie was killed yesterday, March 16, 2003. On C-SPAN now young women are reading her diary and letters. I am in awe of what it means to be alive.

After the readings her parents are going to answer questions from the audience. I have one. Where is my country? How long
will it be away? Has it melted into one of those tiny flag pins those hollow people wear on their lapels?

Posted by: Charles Keating | May 17, 2008 at 05:14 PM

Video that gets to the Israel question:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg


The Gorilla in the Room is US Support for Israel

http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2005/08/gorilla-in-room-is-us-support-for.html

SCANDAL: 9/11 Commissioners Bowed to Pressure to Suppress Main Motive for the 9/11 Attacks:

http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2006/09/reviews-of-without-precedent-inside.html

Posted by: NOMOREWAR_FORISRAEL | May 17, 2008 at 05:28 PM

Additional at the following URLs:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=89628

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=39590

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=49800

Posted by: NOMOREWAR_FORISRAEL | May 17, 2008 at 05:29 PM

That excellent panel discussion about the Middle East with Chris Hedges (which includes the question/comment about Mearsheimer/Walt book - www.israellobbybook.com - in the 'Q & A') airs this Sunday (May 18th, 2008) on C-SPAN 2/Book TV:

http://www.booktv.org/schedule.aspx

The following will broadcast on C-SPAN 2/Book TV this weekend (see www.booktv.org) as such can be viewed via the streaming video link for C-SPAN 2 at www.c-span.org as well:  


Sunday (May 18th, 2008)
9:00 AM ET (6 AM PT) 1 hr Politics
The Revolution: A Manifesto
Author: Ron Paul

11:00 PM ET (8 PM PT) 1 hr 2008 Los Angeles Times Festival of Books: Contentious Ground: The Middle East (includes my question/comment about Mearsheimer/Walt book in the 'Q & A'):
Authors: Reza Aslan; Chris Hedges; Moderator: Zachary Karabell; Amy Wilentz


7:00 PM PT (4 PM PT) 1 hr, 56 min Let Me Stand Alone: The Journals of Rachel Corrie
Author: Rachel Corrie


10:00 PM (7 PM PT) 59 min 2008 Los Angeles Times Festival of Books: Defining American Character
Authors: Howard Fineman; Amy Goodman; Tom Hayden; Hugh Hewitt; Moderator: Jon Wiener


http://NEOCONZIONISTTHREAT.BLOGSPOT.COM

Posted by: NOMOREWAR_FORISRAEL | May 17, 2008 at 05:43 PM

John McCain and the Neocons

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfLeZXrluZw&feature=related

Ron Paul publicly names neoconservatives (5:49)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4df1soW7Dho

Ron Paul Revolt against the Neoconned Republican Party at the upcoming Convention:


http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?p=452323&sid=d270c6adb7d15d83bc75096f318be2ea#452323

Scroll down to George Washington's 'Farewell Address' at the following URL:

http://astandforjustice.org

Posted by: NOMOREWAR_FORISRAEL | May 17, 2008 at 05:50 PM

Ron Paul mentions the bombing of Iran (for the neocon 'war for Israel' agenda) via the youtube link at the following URL:

http://hightidepromo.com

Here is the direct link to it:

http://hightidepromo.com/youtube.html

Posted by: NOMOREWAR_FORISRAEL | May 17, 2008 at 05:54 PM

Excellent 'Don't Bomb Iran' (for Israel) video:

URL:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bXl4vMRocHk

Posted by: NOMOREWAR_FORISRAEL | May 17, 2008 at 06:23 PM

the suffering palestinians are crying for help.

phil is listening only to the hypocritical palestinians. their neocons.

instead of standing with the decent and enlightened progressive palestinians - phil is crying with the cynical ones, and makes most palestinians unsympathetic.

who needs enemies with friends like this?

phil is ready to sacrifice the last one of the palestinians, like brezhnev, andropov...

Posted by: protest against our good phil | May 17, 2008 at 08:12 PM

Charles, it feels Phil could have his Desert Storm, Waco experiences (McVeigh) in mind.

Dan,

"19 Arabs who were living in caves and had no flying experience whatsoever accomplished those feats?"

This is really insulting. As it somehow conforms with the "unilateral arrogance" of the US response. The problem is these guys - at least the Hamburg Cell - were no cave dwellers or to use another term often heard in this context camel drivers, but in fact rather well educated people. ...

Let's pick out the supposed leader:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Atta#Early_life

Atta entered Cairo University in 1985, and was admitted to the engineering department. The highest-scoring students in the department, including Atta, were admitted into the architecture program. He also studied English at the American University in Cairo.[11] In 1990, Atta graduated with a degree in architecture.[10]

...

In Hamburg, Atta studied urban planning at the Technical University of Hamburg-Harburg.[16] Atta lived in an apartment at Centrumshaus in Harburg, from 1993 to 1998. During that time, he had two roommates who in the end were "so aggravated" with Atta, who almost never cleaned, seldom washed dishes, and such behavior. Atta would walk in and out of a room "without acknowledging anyone else in it". His roommates described Atta's personality as "complete, almost aggressive insularity".[17]

Posted by: Pelenor | May 18, 2008 at 03:54 AM

I love this: :-):-):-):-):-)

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1815979

Posted by: Pelenor | May 18, 2008 at 04:39 AM

Phil says, "Will Obama reckon with Osama? Kill him, then deal with his ideas. We did that with Timothy McVeigh."

Well, we sure as hell killed McVeigh.
But have we dealt with his ideas, his motivations?

McVeigh's lessons from WACO, in his own words:
http://www.digital-exp.com/doco/TimothyMcVeigh.html

Check them out. At a quick glance seems to me to boil down to an issue with state terrorism as a policy versus non-governmental terrorism (the recognized kind).

I'm not clear how effectively we've dealt with McVeigh's issues. I think McVeigh would've understood Phil but disagreed with his hinted solutions. If so, perhaps that they came from different socio-economic classes, from a difference in inherited power, helps explain that?

What do you think?

Posted by: Charles Keating | May 18, 2008 at 07:48 AM

I found this passage on Wikipedia interestings. What happens to "some of the2 people given the license to kill under specific conditions. Whatever Phil has in mind, these cases should be studied carefully.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McVeigh#Motivations_for_the_bombing

In a book based on interviews before his execution, American Terrorist, McVeigh stated he decapitated an Iraqi soldier with cannon fire on his first day in the war, and celebrated. But he said he later was shocked to be ordered to execute surrendering prisoners, and to see carnage on the road leaving Kuwait City after U.S. troops routed the Iraqi army. In interviews following the Oklahoma City bombing, McVeigh said he began harboring anti-government feelings during the Gulf War.[28]

As a German I was deeply puzzled by English shell shock phenomenon. As I wasn't acquainted with these people, and thus initially did not politely ignore it. ;-) Did you ever hear about it?

Posted by: LeaNder | May 18, 2008 at 08:02 AM

LeaNder, what do you mean? "Shell shock" is the old WW1 term for what is now called PTSD, or post traumatic stress disorder (or something like that). Thousands of American Iraq War vets are now wandering around the USA, suffering from it, getting little real help. They "self-medicate." Until they commit suicide, which has been continually arising with this class of our citizens. Everybody else mostly goes to the Mall to shop--although the
credit crunch and collapse of the housing bubble, plus continued deficit spending by both political parties, is, along with higher gas & food prices, starting to crimp their entitlement style.

Posted by: Charles Keating | May 18, 2008 at 08:43 AM

Yes, that is it exactly. Although it feels as if it was a very special thing too.

It must have been frequent too. A friend told me they had teachers like that. The flashback is the strange thing for a the nitwit not familiar with theses cases.

You e.g. have a guy sitting next to you on a restaurant table and eating. All of a sudden he stops and exhibits completely strange behavior, waving wildly with his arms and doing all kind of really weird stuff. There is not a single noise. It's only a deadly silent mime(pantomime). Then the guy picks up his fork and knife again and resumes eating as if nothing special has happened. The most important part of the story is: You are not assumed to notice it. Even foreigners learn after a while.

The military seems to be one ways to make it for lower levels of society. Concerning this kid something essentially broke. But I am not really familiar with the case.

********************************

Now we have to watch in the future if Phil will give us an additional hint. (He seems to have studied right wing people. I found a video on Charly Rose, in 1995 with Phil as a guest.

http://addictomatic.com/topic/%22Philip+Weiss%22


Now I have to pay really, really close attention to urgent deadlines. Some of my artist friends are in deep troubles.

Posted by: LeaNder | May 18, 2008 at 09:30 AM

Everyone in Washington knows that the main reason for the attack on 9/11 was due to Israel's brutal and illegal occupation of the Palestinian territories, and the occupaton of Lebanon, and the Golan Heights. Yes, everyone knew it but were too timid to say it, knowing that blaming the Israelis and U.S. support would appear to be "anti-Semitic."
Now, today we learn in a new book written by former White House press secretary, Scott McClellan, that the attack on Iraq was in support of Israel with Bush's senior foreign policy advisors, all Jews with Israeli dual citizenships, to include Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, and Paul Wolfowitz, being the main influence in Bush's decision. Here is what Scott McClellan said: "What I do know is that war should only be waged when necessary, and the Iraq war was not necessary."
http://news.aol.com/story/_a/mcclellan-rips-bush-white-house/20080528063409990001?icid=1615988631x1203152132x1200309168

Posted by: Jim David | May 28, 2008 at 06:48 AM

http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/05/osama-palestini.html 

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