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Jumuah Khutbah -Etiquettes

Originally Posted by selva

Hadith reported by Muslim and narrated from Jaber Ibn Abdullah who said: "Sulayk Al Ghatafany entered the mosque on Friday while the Prophet was delivering Khutba then he sat down. The Prophet said: "O! Sulayk stand up and pray two Rakaa's and do not read much in them". Then he (the Prophet) said: "If any of you comes to the mosque on Friday while the Imam is delivering the Khutba, he prays two Rakaas without lengthening them".

We are not pseudo-Salafis to rely on ahadith without context.

The Hanafi madhhab says that we are not to say anything during the khutba and remain quiet. The hadith you pointed out is explained as an exception to the norm where the person who was told to perform 2 rakaats was a poor person and the Prophet (saw) told him and him alone to perform 2 rakaats so that the other muqtadees can see his state and donate to him. Furthermore, the act of praying and talking during the khutba was later prohibited. Hanafis don't perform 2 rakats before the khutba, but 4 rakats of dhuhr salah before the adhan of the khutba but after the adhan of dhuhr.

Here's another hadith:

Allah's Apostle (saw) said, "When the Imam is delivering the Khutba, and you ask your companion to keep quiet and listen, then no doubt you have done an evil act."

1. Maliki (most strict on this issue):

Haraam to speak during Khutbah and during the short sitting between the two Khutbahs. There is no difference between those who can hear the Khutbah and those who cannot. It is Haraam for both groups. It is allowed to talk when the Imam is sitting on the Minbar before the first Khutbah and at the end of the second Khutbah when the Khatib starts making Du`a for Muslims and the Sahaabah and the leaders of Islam. It is also Haram to make Nafl once the Imam steps up on the Minbar.

2. Hanafi: Makruh Karahah Tahrimiyyah during the Khutbah; if you hear the name of the Prophet (s.a.w.) you make Salah on him silently not out loud. Abu Hanifah considered both talking and praying should be stopped once the Imam leaves his Khalwah to step up the Minbar. His two companions (Abu Yusuf and Muhammad Ibn Al-Hassan Ash-Shibani) differed and considered that his stepping up the Minbar before starting the Khutbah should stop the prayer not the talking.

3. Hanbali: It is Haraam for whoever is close to the Khatib and can hear the Khutbah to talk completely except talking to the Khatib himself. The listener can make Salah on the Prophet (s.a.w.) but it is Sunnah to make it silent not outloud. Khatib can talk to anyone and anyone can talk to him. It is also allowed to say Al-Hamdu Lillah if you sneeze, to say Yarhamukum Allah if someone else sneezed, and to say Ameen if the Khatib makes Du`a. The listener may also reply to Salam by talking not by signal. If the listener is far from the Khatib and cannot hear him, he is allowed to talk, but if he makes Zikr or recitation it is better for him than remaining silent, but he cannot make that outloud so that he would not disturb others. It is also not Haraam to speak between the two Khutbahs or before the first Khutbah or after the second Khutbah or once the Khatib starts making Du`a in the second Khutbah. You do not have to listen to Du`a. If you hear others talking you cannot tell them to be quiet by talking but you can use signals like pointing with yout index finger at your mouth or something like that. It is Wajib to talk during Khuitbah to save a blind or warn from a snake or a scorpion or fire or anything like that.

4. Shafi`i: The close person who can hear the Khutbah (even if he does not practically hear it) should not talk during Arkan Al-Khutbah; it is Makruh Karahah Tanzihiyyah to do so; it is also haram according to another opinion in the Mazhab. It is not Makruh to speak during what is not Arkan of Khutbah or before the first Khutbah even if the Imam steps on the Minbar, or after the second Khutbah before Iqamah, or between the two Khutbahs. It is also not Makruh to speak if you are far away from the Khatib where he cannot hear the Khatib even if he is silent; but it is Sunnah for him to keep busy with Zikr silently. It is not Makruh to say Yarhamukum Allah to the one who sneezes (it is Mandub to do so); it not Makruh to say outloud Salah on the Prophet (s.a.w.) when his name is mentioned but not too loud (it is Mandub to do so); replying to Salam (it is Wajib to do so) but Makruh to start Salam for the listener; it is not Makruh to speak to warn from a harm like warning a blind, warning from a snake or a scorpion and anything like that (it is Wajib to do so). It is also Sunnah to pray two short Rak`ahs greeting the Masjid when one comes even if the Khatib is delivering the Khutbah. Arkan Al-Khutbahs are: To say Al-Hamdu Lillah in any form in both Khutbahs; to say As-Salah `Ala An-Nabi in any form in both Khutbah; to remind with Taqwa in any form in both Khutbahs; to recite an Ayah from the Quran in either Khutbah not including the letters at beginning of some Surahs; and to make Du`a for the Muslims in he second Khutbah

Note how in the Hanafi, Maliki, and, to a lesser extent, the Hanbali madhhab, we are not even allowed to send salutations upon the Prophet (saw) when his name is mentioned during the khutba. It is considered a sunnah to do so silently or within your heart. It is something unique to the Shafi' madhhab to allow sunnah/nafl salah as well as some talking during the khutba.

In summary, speaking or performing any action during the khutba that diverts attention from the khutba:

Hanafi: makrooh tahrimi and a major sin to do this purposely and continuously

Maliki: outright haraam right when the khateeb sits down on the mimbar (before the actual khutba has even started)

Hanbali: haraam except when talking to the khateeb and it is a sunnah to send salutations silently (in your heart or as a whisper)

Shafi: makrooh tanzihi to talk, sunnah to perform tahiyyatul masjid even during khutba, sunnah to perform silent zikr, etc.

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Originally Posted by selva

Ok, so we pray Jumma most often in salafi mosque where khutba is always in English. There is a part of it in Arabic, very short, more like du'a or something. Sometimes we pray in another mosque and the khutba is in Urdu. So if one misses non Arabic part- that's fine?

And what about the ruling, that one can join the jumma salat in the second rakaat and his prayer will still be valid

According to many ulama, the language of the khutba has to be Arabic. Others say that as long as the khutba has some ayats of the Qur'an and sends blessings upon the Prophet (saw), it is valid.

There are two khutbas given before jum'ah salah, one after another, that form the "jum'ah khutba" as a whole. These cannot be missed, regardless of language they are being delivered in.

Are you sure that the khutba in that other mosque is given in Urdu? In Pakistan and India, the khutba is always in Arabic, no exception. The Urdu part comes before the second adhan of jum'ah (and sometimes, even before the dhuhr adhan for convenience's sake, especially in Indo-Pak run mosques in the West).

Here's the position outlined by a former chief Mufti of Pakistan, Mufti Taqi Usmani:

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...=3840&CATE=112

And you can join any salah at any time. What would be changed would be the number of rakats that you'd have prayed with jamat (except if you fail to join the last rakat of any jamat before the imam came up from rukoo). It is considered a major sin to not join a jamat without any valid excuse (e.g. you were stuck in traffic and couldn't make the first rakat). So, if someone leaves late for the mosque (no real reason to do so), arrives late, performs wudhu slowly, talks to others entering the mosque, or things of this nature where the ongoing jamat is being delayed, he is committing major sins.

 

mustaqeem2

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If you get the time please clarify, "What would be changed would be the number of rakats that you'd have prayed with jamat (except if you fail to join the last rakat of any jamat before the imam came up from rukoo)."

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Excellent and very informative posts bro. Mustaqeem 2.

 

If you get the time please clarify, "What would be changed would be the number of rakats that you'd have prayed with jamat (except if you fail to join the last rakat of any jamat before the imam came up from rukoo)."

Failing to join the last rakat in time (i.e. before the imam comes up from rukoo') means that the entire salah has to be performed after the imam has made his tasleem at the end, despite becoming a muqtadee. For example, say that the jamat is in the jalsa stage of salah in the last rakat and someone comes and joins the jamat. The imam says his salam but the person who joined so late would have to perform the entire salah after coming up from the jalsa but he would not have to say takbire tahrima as he would have said it when he joined the jamat.

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